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Wajahat Hussain+ (SEECS), Saqib (AUF), Johari? (UNIMAS);  Adib? (Turkey), Dr. Charnsak Srisawatsakul (Ubru), Eyad Ayoubi?(Jordan), Baraa Muslmani? ( Jordan), Dr. Shadi Jawarneh (Jordan), Bebo White+, Umar Kalim?, Les Cottrell+

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Saqib is undergoing his Mid  Term Probationary Review at the University.

• Bebo is also on the panel but was unclear whether he has all the information in the email package sent to him and is uncertain how to respond.
• Les was also uncertain how to respond, since a trip to Pakistan seemed unlikely and there was no mention of a video conference.
  • Les sent an email  "I am unclear how you wish me to notify you of my review of Dr Saqib Ali’s Self-Assessment report and my experience working with him, since attending a meeting in Pakistan is probably not feasible, and a video/voice conference would be difficult to set up due to the time zone differences. I am therefore attaching a letter of recommendation. Please acknowledge that you have received this and whether any further action is required on my part."  
  • He got the response "I hereby acknowledge with thanks receipt of e-mail with attachment."
  • Les asked "Will you be requiring anything else?  Should I submit the REMUNERATION BILL?"
  • He received  the answer "Yes".
  • Les sent email "Attached is the signed form for remuneration bill for mid-term review of Dr. Saqib Ali. Is anything else required? Please acknowledge you have received this.  Thanks"
  • Les received the answer "OK, thanks."
  • Les sent a copy of his letter of recommendation and the initial request from Faisalabad including all the enclosures to Bebo.

Saqib plans to continue work on PingER monitoring for remote areas, in particular in Pakistan. He will use Android PingERs. This may partially tie into the Amity project.

He will also continue his work on Blockchain and plans to attend a Blockchain workshop in Guangzhou.

The 4th  Call for Proposals for The Asi@Connect Project are now open. Saqib will submit a concept note in WP6 with Wajahat and Les as co-applicants

• From Les: WP6 mentions Pakistan, however, the examples are a bit of a stretch for PingER. Possibly deploying PingER MAs based on the Android in remote regions (NWFP, Gilgit, Balochistan, etc.) The difficulty will be getting collaborators in the remote regions, also probably a lot of travel to shake hands, give encouragement, assist, troubleshoot, etc. A challenge will be convincing the collaborators that they are getting something useful out of this. Maybe need to extend PingER to add some easy to use tools.  Another possibility is reviving the PingER MAs in Pakistan. Again, as Wajahat indicates, it is finding collaborators willing to install and manage the MAs. Some development may be needed to make the installation easier and maybe add remote management. Again an issue may be what do the collaborators stand to gain, and the longer-term continuation of the collaboration as people move on.
  

  WP4 talks about PerfSONAR which is monitoring. Providing training on PingER, the reverse traceroute servers might have some traction.  

   

  For both of these if one could install a mesh of MAs in Pakistan, including the reverse traceroute/ping servers (which are trivial to install on a web server, take minimal maintenance, and are much simpler than an MA) then one could address the problem of locating the lat/long of routers  by trilateration of ping response time. Note though getting the lat longs of end hosts is fairly well addressed, routers are usually identified as being located to the owner (e.g. all ESnet's routers on the US and Europe are defined as being located at Berkeley California (the HQ of ESnet)

Thailand, Charnsak (No update 7/23/2019)

UNIMAS

Need to add Umar Kalim to http://pinger.unimas.my/pinger/contact.php. From the 7/5/2018 meeting: Johari can't ssh into the server so he will go to it on Monday.  He will also upload the new UNIMAS PingER website next week.

Email from Johari 4/21/2019:  I am still very much interested in the project but I have to manage my time better. Will try to join the next meeting and probably get someone from my side to monitor the equipment and make use of the data collected

SLAC (Updated 7/242019) 

The FNAL MA has been successfully migrated to a new FNAL host, it went well once the permissions were set correctly.

Les has arranged to give an invited talk on PingER and monitoring the Internet at the Silicon Valley Samsung HQ 7/17/2019.

Les will be in Beijing China from September 2nd thru 10th,  giving an invited 20 minute talk entitled "First international computer network connection between China and US". at the Symposium on 30 years of BES Physics to be held at the Institute of High Energy Physics, Beijing, P. R. China, from September 5 to 6, 2019. The web page for the symposium is   https://indico.ihep.ac.cn/event/9761/.

Les and Bebo visited the Internet Archive (IA, see https://archive.org/) and initiated a discussion on archiving PingER data (i.e. a mirror for SLAC) at the IA and also giving a talk on PingER at the IA. 

• The IA responded with information on using an IA Python library to archive the data at the IA. Les responded with interest but lack of resources until mid-September at the earliest.  Also maybe after giving a talk at IA (see below) there might be interest in collaborating form some of the attendees.
• The IA also responded pointing to a form to fill out for a request to give a talk at the IA.
  • Les filled out the form.
  • Les sent an email to the IA to make sure they had received the form and asking if anything else is required.

State of MAs.

Umar compare ICMP and TCP Ping

Umar is looking at the scamper project from CAIDA, see https://www.caida.org/tools/measurement/scamper/. Les will put Umar in contact with the scamper folks (email sent 4/28/2019)

Unfortunately, for the IPv4 vs IPv6 comparison, there is insufficient data (i.e. only about targets)

Next Meeting

Next meeting:  There will be a Doodle poll, for August 12-18  or August 19-22 at 10 pm Pacific time; a day later 10:00 am Pakistan time; 10:30 am India time; 1:00 pm Malaysian & Guangzhou time;  2:00 pm Thailand time; 7:00 am Jordan time. 6:00am Turkey time.  

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Saqib plans to continue work on PingER monitoring for remote areas, in particular in Pakistan. He will use Android PingERs. This may partially tie into the Amity project.

He will also continue his work on Blockchain and plans to attend a Blockchain workshop in Guangzhou.

The 4th  Call for Proposals for The Asi@Connect Project are now open. Saqib will submit a concept note in WP6 with Wajahat and Les as co-applicant

Thailand, Charnsak (No update 7/23/2019)

UNIMAS

MA is down, email sent asking for update 8/25/2018.

SLAC (Updated 7/242019) 

Les has arranged to give an invited talk on PingER and monitoring the Internet at the Silicon Valley Samsung HQ 7/17/2019.

Les will be in Beijing China from September 2nd thru 10th,  giving an invited 20 minute talk entitled "First international computer network connection between China and US". at the Symposium on 30 years of BES Physics to be held at the Institute of High Energy Physics, Beijing, P. R. China, from September 5 to 6, 2019. The web page for the symposium is   https://indico.ihep.ac.cn/event/9761/.

Les and Bebo visited the Internet Archive (IA, see https://archive.org/) and initiated a discussion on archiving PingER data (i.e. a mirror for SLAC) at the IA and also giving a talk on PingER at the IA. 

• The IA responded with information on using an IA Python library to archive the data at the IA. Les responded with interest but lack of resources until mid-September at the earliest.  Also maybe after giving a talk at IA (see below) there might be interest in collaborating form some of the attendees.
• The IA also responded pointing to a form to fill out for a request to give a talk at the IA.
  • Les filled out the form.
  • Les sent an email to the IA to make sure they had received the form and asking if anything else is required.

State of MAs.

Umar compare ICMP and TCP Ping

Umar is looking at the scamper project from CAIDA, see https://www.caida.org/tools/measurement/scamper/. Les will put Umar in contact with the scamper folks (email sent 4/28/2019)

Unfortunately, for the IPv4 vs IPv6 comparison, there is insufficient data (i.e. only about targets)

Next Meeting

Next meeting:  There will be a Doodle poll, for August 12-18  or August 19-22 at 10 pm Pacific time; a day later 10:00 am Pakistan time; 10:30 am India time; 1:00 pm Malaysian & Guangzhou time;  2:00 pm Thailand time; 7:00 am Jordan time. 6:00am Turkey time.  

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Old information

UAF moved here 8/25/2019

The 4th  Call for Proposals for The Asi@Connect Project are now open. Saqib will submit a concept note in WP6 with Wajahat and Les as co-applicants

• From Les: WP6 mentions Pakistan, however, the examples are a bit of a stretch for PingER. Possibly deploying PingER MAs based on the Android in remote regions (NWFP, Gilgit, Balochistan, etc.) The difficulty will be getting collaborators in the remote regions, also probably a lot of travel to shake hands, give encouragement, assist, troubleshoot, etc. A challenge will be convincing the collaborators that they are getting something useful out of this. Maybe need to extend PingER to add some easy to use tools.  Another possibility is reviving the PingER MAs in Pakistan. Again, as Wajahat indicates, it is finding collaborators willing to install and manage the MAs. Some development may be needed to make the installation easier and maybe add remote management. Again an issue may be what do the collaborators stand to gain, and the longer-term continuation of the collaboration as people move on.
  

  WP4 talks about PerfSONAR which is monitoring. Providing training on PingER, the reverse traceroute servers might have some traction.  

   

  For both of these if one could install a mesh of MAs in Pakistan, including the reverse traceroute/ping servers (which are trivial to install on a web server, take minimal maintenance, and are much simpler than an MA) then one could address the problem of locating the lat/long of routers  by trilateration of ping response time. Note though getting the lat longs of end hosts is fairly well addressed, routers are usually identified as being located to the owner (e.g. all ESnet's routers on the US and Europe are defined as being located at Berkeley California (the HQ of ESnet)

Turkey moved here 8/9/2019

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