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Time & date 

This meeting:  April 25  July 10 pm Pacific time; a day later 10:00 am Pakistan time; 10:30 am India time; 1:00 pm Malaysian & Guangzhou time;  12:00 pm Thailand time; 7:00 am Jordan and 6:00am Turkey.  

Doodle poll invites sent 45/1027/2019.

Format

New items and updates are in boldface.

Coordinates of team members:

Mailing list: pinger-my@googlegroups.com for membership see  https://groups.google.com.

  • Saif A. Kazakzeh (xsaifahmadx@gmail.com) of Jordan added.

Attendees

Invitees:

Wajahat Hussain (SEECS), Saqib (GZHU); Johari (UNIMAS);  Adib (Turkey); Dr. Charnsak Srisawatsakul (Ubru), Eyad Ayoubi+ (Jordan), Baraa Muslmani ( Jordan), Dr. Shadi Jawarneh (Jordan), Bebo White, Umar Kalim, Les Cottrell

  •  + Responded via Doodle can attend; - Responded, but unable to attend on this date; ? extra email sent asking if attending 
  • Email addresses (all the following are in pinger-my).
    • cottrell@slac.stanford.edu; wajahat.hussain@seecs.edu.pk; saqibutm@outlook.com; johari.abdullah@gmail.com; adibhabbal@karabuk.edu.tr; charnsak.s@ubru.ac.th; eyadayoubi@gmail.com; b.muslmani@yahoo.com; shadi.jawarneh@yahoo.com; bebo@slac.stanford.edu; kalim@slac.stanford.edu; xsaifahmadx@gmail.com
Actual Attendees

Wajahat, Saqib, Umar, Bebo, Les

Others

Administration

  • Dr. Umar Kalim has left SLAC to join Amazon. He will continue to be in the Bay Area. He will continue to be involved in the PingER project. 
  • Bebo's SLAC account expires March 2020. He will be able to renew it, since he will no longer be a SLAC employee. As a result Bebo will likely let his participation in PingER lapse.
  • This meeting was scheduled with the aid of a Doodle poll.

Use of Zoom

IMPORTANT NOTE: The meeting is set up to record automatically. By joining the meeting you are agreeing to be recorded (see details) 

What: PingER Standing Meeting
When: Apr 25, 2019 10:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Where: Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://stanford.zoom.us/j/304935571

How to set up and use Zoom:

To use the software, you would have to download the Zoom client (and installed if prompted). The instructions to do so are listed here: https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

The instructions about setting up the software are listed at the URL below. You may want to create an account if you do not have one already. If you are invited to a meeting (i.e., you are not hosting the meeting), you are not required to create an account; you can simply join the meeting using the meeting ID.

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362033-Getting-Started-on-PC-and-Mac

Jordan  (Updated 4/25/2019)

Turkey (Updated 4/25/2019)

Email from Eyad Ayoubi 3/16/2019.

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" We are employing PingER in Hasan Kalyoncu University, in Turkey, for the purpose of conducting researches on the Internet performance in Turkey. 
Actually, we have collected data in our node, so we would like our collected data to be retrieved by the archival site at SLAC. Below are the details information on our monitoring node.
 
  • DNS: pinger.hku
  • Public IP:  10.15.2.146
  • Node Coordinates
  • Latitude: 37.014764 Longitude: 37.205743
  • Node Location: Şahinbey Mahallesi, Havalimanı Yolu 8.Km, 27000            Şahinbey/Gaziantep
  • Contact Person: 
  • Name: Mohammed Madi
  • Designation: Assistant Professor in Computer Engineering Department
  • Contact Number: 00905537717593
  • Email address: mohammed.madi@hku.edu.tr
Thank you in advance, looking forward to hearing from you"
Unfortunately, this appears to be a private IP address so is not accessible.  Les sent an email 4/19/2019 to Mohammed. Mohammed provided a public IP address ( 95.0.84.5), however, it is not pingable and the URL does not respond. Sent another email 4/24/2019, 4/28/2019, 5/7/2019, 5/26/2019.
Also sent email to Adib (who is in Turkey) and Eyad in case they know the person or site. Adib responded 4/20/2019: "Yes, I know Mohammed, he graduated from UUM (Malaysia), and we worked together at the same department. He is a good researcher. I think, he can contribute to PingER project."

Amity (Updated 4/25/2019).

Amity team photo:

Android progress:

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  • Topher is back, Bebo is contacting him. Bebo's thoughts were that:
    •  If the Amity app is robust  (i.e. it does not noticeably impact the other services, power, networking, security etc) make it part of the standard Rainforest installation;
    • Topher's package knows the GPS location, so it should be available to PingER for recording.
  • PingER will need a fixed name for each Android MA.  Since the Android may be mobile the IP address may be dynamic. There is a DNS name to dynamic IP address service that may be useful. Maybe there is another unique fixed identifier in an Android that could be used such as a serial number or SIM ID.

Adib (Updated 3/3/2019)

Bebo reviewed and responded to Adib suggesting the second one is a better choice. Adib  submitted it to the 2nd journal. He sent email 4/20/2019: "we received an unfavorable response from the information society. So sad that this paper does not get enough attention from journal editors. But I will keep trying, let's pray for the best." 

 

NUST (Updated 4/25/2019) 

Wajahat suggested a letter to the higher-ups at NUST about PingER would assist.  Les worked with Wajahat to craft such a letter. It was sent to Wajahat by email 4/3/2019.  It was sent by paper mail 4/4/2019 to Principal SEECS.

  • Wajahat said the letter has been received and a written response is being drafted.
  • They (NUST) would also be interested in other collaborations with SLAC
    • Since Les is no longer an employee of SLAC but rather an emeritus this may complicate things.
    • A possibility might be in high-speed data transfer. It would need a champion from NUST, and a plan and funding to provide access to 100Gbps

 

IPv6 host at NUST:

Wajahat has requested Hasan to install PingER on an IPv6 host at NUST, Saqib has contacted Hasan to tell him where to find and upload the code. There is not a host name for the MA yet. Hopefully, this will be available by next month's meeting.

Wajahat has 2 students, he will propose some PingER related projects to them.

Wajahat said that contacts at some sites are not very interested in PingER and wonder why there are so many pings. Thus he believes we need new sites representing the regions of Pakistan that have willing collaborators. Thus we should give up on sites such as CAE and ISRA that have not had any data to gather for a year or so.  Les has since disabled these sites.

We have not been able to gather data from maggie1.seecs.edu.pk since March 2019. Sent email to Wajahat, he responded that it may be an IPv6 host.  Tried accessing using IPv6 but no success.

 UAF (University of Agriculture, Faisalabad)/GHZU (Updated 3/3/2019)

Saqib joined the University of Agriculture in Faisalabad. He plans to pursue the blockchain paper.

Thailand, Charnsak

Charnsak is looking at a host in Champasak University, Chan Parsa province in Laos as a potential site for a PingER MA. Charnsak just got approved to make contact with the Champasak University. He expects to set up the MA in the next 4-5 months (say towards end 2018). It also depends on the partner university, and there may be a lot of paperwork. 4/9/2019 Charnsak said we need to drop this.

UNIMAS

Need to add Umar Kalim to http://pinger.unimas.my/pinger/contact.php. From the 7/5/2018 meeting: Johari can't ssh into the server so he will go to it on Monday.  He will also upload the new UNIMAS PingER website next week.

Email from Johari 4/21/2019:  I am still very much interested in the project but I have to manage my time better. Will try to join the next meeting and probably get someone from my side to monitor the equipment and make use of the data collected

SLAC (Updated 4/25/2019) 

Umar fixed up the PingER deployment map at http://wanmon.slac.stanford.edu/wan-mon/viper/pinger-coverage-gmap.html by updating the Google map key.

State of MAs.

Host
State
last seen
Status
pinger6.cs.ubru.ac.thUnable to gather data, pings. Email sent 5/24/20195/20/2019 
pinger.unimas.myUnable to gather data, does not ping. Email sent 5/24/2019. Johari responded that he will look at it.5/20/2019 
rainbow.inp.nsk.suUnable to gather data starting 4/19/2019, also cannot ping the host. Sent email 4/25/2019. Sergy responded 4/30/2019 he has moved on unclear there is a follow on contact. Probably will disableApril 17, 2019Disabled 5/8/2019.
brunsvigia.tenet.ac.zaLen Lotz the contact is working on getting his people to move MA to a VMApril 17, 2019Moved to VM 5/1/2019
netmon.physics.carleton.caUnable to gather data, host is pingable and http://netmon.physics.carleton.ca/cgi-bin/ping_data.pl? responds. It appears the pinger.xml file is corrupted. Email sent 4/28/2019April 23, 2019Fixed June 30, 2019
pingeramity.inUnable to gather data since March 29, 2019, unable to ping it, sent email 4/3/2019, got response (4/3/2019) they will look into it.March 29, 2019Fixed 4/5/2019
rainbow.inp.nsk.su

Unable to gather data starting March 19, 2019. The host is pingable and web is responding. Email sent 4/3/2019. Recommend update ping_table.pl

March 19, 2019Fixed 4/3/2019
pinger6.cs.ubru.ac.th

Stopped being pingable 2/25/2019. Thus by default, the gathering failed. Gathering also fails to http://202.29.20.125/cgi-bin/ping_data.pl . Emailed Charnsak 3/4/2019, 3/15/2019. Down again 4/23/2019, restored 4/27/2019.

2/25/2019Fixed 3/16/2019.
pinger.isra.edu.pk

Down, it came up Sep 2-4, 2018. It is pinging, however, all the targets are not responding after 31 tries, email sent to Wajahat 9/18/2018. As of 10/14/2018 it is not pingable. Working again as of 1/5/2019.

It started again1/26/2019. It does not respond to pings from SLAC but does respond to http://pinger.isra.edu.pk/cgi-bin/ping_data.pl? which is used to get the data.  However, the data indicate that none of the pings respond, e.g.

pinger.isra.edu.pk 121.52.154.228 pinger.fsktm.um.edu.my 103.18.2.152 100 1548633600 31 0

i.e. all 31 pings fail and  0 give any response.

When one tries to ping from pinger.isra.edu.pk using http://pinger.isra.edu.pk/cgi-bin/traceroute.pl?function=ping&target=www-wanmon.slac.stanford.edu&options=-i%200.2 the web page responds but all pings from isra fail. Email sent to Wajahat 1/28/2019. Started working again 1/30/2019. Stopped being pingable and unable to gather data 2/11/2019. 3/2/2019 can gather data but all the pings are failing. This is not a normal failure mode. Emailed Wajahat 3/3/2019, 3/15/2019.

March 6, 2018

Fixed 1/5/2019

Failed again starting 1/26/2019.

Working again 1/30/2019

Disabled 4/28/2019

maggie1.seecs.edu.pkUnable to gather data since March 26, 2019. Sent email to Wajahar 5/25/2019. Should we Disable it or is someone working on it? Wajahat said it might be an IPv6 node, however ping6 from pinger.slac.stanford.edu to maggie1 does not work.March 26, 2019 
cae.seecs.edu.pkAt the request of Wajahat re-enabled but unable to gather dataOver a year agoDisabled 4/17/2019

Umar compare ICMP and TCP Ping

Umar is looking at the scamper project from CAIDA, see https://www.caida.org/tools/measurement/scamper/. Les will put Umar in contact with the scamper folks (email sent 4/28/2019)

Unfortunately, for the IPv4 vs IPv6 comparison, there is insufficient data (i.e. only about targets)

Next Meeting

Next meeting:  There will be a Doodle poll, May week 20th-23rd or June 5th-6th or June 10-13 at 10 pm Pacific time; a day later 10:00 am Pakistan time; 10:30 am India time; 1:00 pm Malaysian & Guangzhou time;  2:00 pm Thailand time; 7:00 am Jordan time. 6:00am Turkey time.  May conflicts with Ramadan, so Umar cannot make it then. Ramadan begins May 5th and ends June 4th. Also Bebo is away the week of May 13th.

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Old information

Umar moved here 4/28/2019

Umar Compare ICMP and TCP ping

No update to the following 3/14/2019.

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It may be that end hosts which are farther away have larger variances and thus the pronounced differences.

Saqib moved here 4/28/2019

Bebo sent email, see below.  Saqib will follow up.

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Dear Dr. White, We are currently accepting submissions for our upcoming Special Issue titled 
"Cryptography and Security Tools and Techniques for Networked Embedded Systems," which will 
be published in Security and Communication Networks in October 2019. The Special Issue is open to both 
original research articles and review articles, and the deadline for submission is May 24, 2019. 
You can find the Call for Papers at https://www.hindawi.com/journals/scn/si/136986/cfp/. 
Security and Communication Networks is a peer-reviewed journal published by Hindawi
as part of a publishing collaboration with John Wiley & Sons (https://www.hindawi.com/wiley.hindawi/). 
Starting January 2017, the journal has been converted to a fully open access publication, which 
means that anyone can access it online without a subscription and authors retain the copyright of their work. 
The most recent Impact Factor for Security and Communication Networks is 0.904 according to Clarivate Analytics' l
atest Journal Citation Reports. The journal's most recent CiteScore is 1.36 according to the latest 
CiteScore metrics released by Scopus. Please read over the journal's author guidelines at 
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/scn/guidelines/ for more information on the journal's policies and 
the submission process. Manuscripts should be submitted online to the Special Issue at 
https://mts.hindawi.com/submit/journals/scn/adcsc/. 
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. Best regards, Rana Khaled

Adib moved here 4/20/2019

Adib moved to Karabuk University in Turkey where he is an Associate Professor.  

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