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The initial offer from Philippe Galvez for Fermi would be ballpark $10k for an annual subscription, based on our usage from last year which was about 1100 meetings. Richard would like to compare that to WebEx or GoToMeeting. Alternatively if you buy as you go, the person setting up the meeting is designated the "moderator" and is responsible to pay for the meeting in "SeeVogh" credits. 60 minutes is the minimum meeting time. Right now 1 hour is 54 credits. Once the meeting has started, you cannot be refunded, even if you do not use up the full allotted time. This wouldn't be an issue if we had a subscription.
SeeVogh has gone live in 2013. If you still have issues with it, please enter it here:
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Current Issues:
Feb 7, 2013 – Elizabeth Ferrara (using a MacBook Pro, brand new, running Mac OSX 10.8.2)
No services available in meeting: SeeVogh starts properly. I am able to log in and view the main page for my community. When I try to join a meeting, what looks like a default meeting window pops up with all the various services at the top, but no picture. That window is then replaced by one with JUST the picture, but no services. When I try to close the window, I am given the option to leave the meeting or to exit SeeVogh.
Jan 10, 2013 – Jennifer Siegal-Gaskins (using a MacBook Air, mid-2011, running Mac OSX 10.7.5)
SeeVogh kept crashing when I tried to join a meeting (I could log in to SeeVogh, though). The SeeVogh help pages say I need to update my graphics card driver. I cannot locate a Mac update for my graphics card (Intel HD Graphics 3000 384 MB) either on Apple's site or the Intel site. I emailed SeeVogh support on Jan 10, no reply yet. My workaround was continuing to use EVO.
Feb 5 – problem still not resolved.
August 16, 2013 -- Narayana Bhat (I am using MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard) After using the SeeVogh normally I wanted to shut it down by clicking on the pull down SeeVogh menu and hitting exit. Then it comes with an option window to confirm. When I hit 'Yes' it freezes. The window refuses to shut. I have to reboot to get rid of the window.
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SeeVogh email support is now: evosupport@seevogh.com. Please cc me (Richard) if you send mail to them. If SeeVogh will not fire up at all, you can find the logfile somewhere like here:
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It should be SeeVoghRN.log* in $TMPDIR on macos. Also, please check for the hs_err_pidXXX.log - this should be either in $HOME or in $TMPDIR subdirs... |
SeeVogh User Guide
http://seevogh.com/doc/SeeVogh_User_Guide_032612.pdf
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Tom Glanzman was unable to connect from his RHEL6-64 box with Chrome v19.0.1084.52 after multiple attempts, where each time the Java client crashed. Note that a recent attempt to update video drivers for RHEL6-64 did not change the openGL version (still at 1.4), so one of our desktop support folks (Wayne Yu) continues to investigate.
Hi Tom, I will need to look into this more. I have looked at both RHEL5 and RHEL6 system with different Nvidia card, and both shows OpenGL 1.4. So I installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a laptop and it shows OpenGL 2.1. And I check the Mesa version on all three system. RHEL5 shows Mesa 6.5.1, RHEL6 shows 7.11 and Ubuntu shows 8.0.2. The OpenGL driver support could be a combination of OpenGL library that comes with the operating system and hardware. Mesa provides the software rendering capability and the video card does the hardware part of it. Wayne
Tom G. then connected from a Windows XP box initially trying through the Chrome browser (both beta and canary) generated an error that the chrome versions are "too old" although they are up to date. Tom then tried Firefox which seemed to work for audio, though there was a complaint that an OpenGL update is required for video (current version is 1.3.1030, but 1.5 is needed) For fun, Tom also tried Android but SeeVogh on android fails immediately --- claims the Safari version was too old.
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Richard (Mac) and Heather (Windows 7) had no trouble getting connected. Anders (Linux) could not get the video client to start up and thus was also unable to see desktop shares (it complained about "Cannot load ViEVO lib vievoLib /afs/slac.stanford.edu/u/ek/borgland/.java/deployment/cache/6.0/3/33e21603-26a383f3-n/libvievoLib.so: libjawt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". It could be a simple PATH problem. I've attached the logfile.). Anders also could not speak. Richard acted as the moderator. The moderator controls the start of the meeting, so in effect there is no set meeting time. There is a one page used to set up the details including name and description of the meeting. Richard did not see a way to set "recurrence".
Anders did comment that Richard's audio was particularly clear and strong. Later on during the meeting, we did note that Richard's audio started to fade in and out. Typically it was when Richard would start speaking again, and then after a sentence or so the audio would pick up. It did not seem due to changes in his personal volume.
The default for audio and video seems to come up with the microphone un-muted and video on - it would be better to do the opposite. Similarly public chat should be on by default as well as the participants list.
Video is also on by default. The video window is shared so as more participants enter, each tile associate with each participant is given a smaller piece of the pie. Richard wondered how it would appear if there were 100 participants. (Actually he wondered what would happen with the participant list on the side for a large meeting.)
We tried out the "desktop share" by having Richard share his desktop and that seemed fine.
Under Menu->About there is a "Copy Log" button, it would be nice to locate this in a more prominant location under Menu. The ability to directly email the SeeVogh support team seemed to be missing; maybe the red cross button to just send the log.
The moderator controls the ending of a meeting - if we run over an hour, does the moderator get prompted to add additional time?
What if the moderator has to leave early, but the other meeting participants want to carry on?
Does leaving a meeting mean you have to exit the application entirely? Sometimes it is nice to be able to hop into another meeting straightaway.
Is there a capability to browse available meetings? Is there a password capability to prevent anyone browsing the meetings from joining?
Will there be the concept of a Fermi "Community" that our group can join? Will that change the meeting booking behavior - e.g. to allowance recurrence, perhaps no moderator needed to start/stop the meeting.
Does the moderator have control over attendees? Mute, eject etc?
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Responses from Philippe: (1) Anders's video Linux issue: I can see that it is looking for the (2) Anders's audio Linux issue: The code is the same as for EVO. He may (3) Meeting recurrence: Not in this version but will come. (4) Audio fading during the first sentence was probably due to the (5) Audio/Video unmuted was done on purpose as most new comers were (6) Video streams is limited to 50 (low quality) maximum and will be (7) The "Red Cross" missing button is something we are looking to add (8) When a meeting is over, the meeting is stopped but obviously some (9) If the moderator leaves then it doesn't affect the meeting at all (10) Leaving the meeting means leaving the application (11) For now, you have no function to list the ongoing meetings. (12) We have a concept of "Corporate account" that will include all (13) You can moderate (mute, unmute, ...) the meeting by selecting your |
Question and Answer Time Between Richard and Philippe Galvez May 7,2012
Super. I assume if we subscribe then anyone in Ferm will be able to initiate meetings.
>Yes. Of course.
If I book a 1 hour meeting can people join the room early to make sure everything is working?
>It works a bit differently. You book a total time and it only starts but
>the moderator or who ever has the moderator key starts the meeting.
>In resume, you can reserve a meeting for 2 hours and not using it for
>weeks, the starting time only starts when you activate the meeting.
And will they be able to scan meetings in the community as we can now?
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>Not for now. We are at the early stage.
Have you maintained your fleet of pandas etc in this transition? There will be lots of questions about the new system :-)
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>Yes. All should be nearly transparent for the end user concerning the infrastructure.