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Wajahat Hussain+ (SEECS), Saqib+ (GZHUAUF); , Johari+ (UNIMAS);  Adib (Turkey); , Dr. Charnsak Srisawatsakul (Ubru), Eyad Ayoubi- (Jordan), Baraa Muslmani ( Jordan), Dr. Shadi Jawarneh (Jordan), Bebo White+, Umar Kalim-, Les Cottrell+

  •  + Responded via Doodle can attend; - Responded, but unable to attend on this date; ? extra email sent asking if attending 
  • Email addresses (all the following are in pinger-my).
    • cottrell@slac.stanford.edu; wajahat.hussain@seecs.edu.pk; saqibutm@outlook.com; johari.abdullah@gmail.com; adibhabbal@karabuk.edu.tr; charnsak.s@ubru.ac.th; eyadayoubi@gmail.com; b.muslmani@yahoo.com; shadi.jawarneh@yahoo.com; bebo@slac.stanford.edu; umar.kalim@gmail.com; xsaifahmadx@gmail.com

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IMPORTANT NOTE: The meeting is set up to record automatically. By joining the meeting you are agreeing to be recorded (see details) 

What: PingER Standing Meeting
When: June 11

Hi there,

roger (les) cottrell is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: PingER collaboration
Time: Jul 23, 2019 10:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

Where: Join

Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:

 

https://stanford.zoom.us/j/

936251711

545404100

Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +18333021536,,545404100# or +16507249799,,545404100#

Or Telephone:
Dial: +1 650 724 9799 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll) or +1 833 302 1536 (US, Canada, Caribbean Toll Free)

Meeting ID: 545 404 100
International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/abCOWPniNq

Meeting ID: 545 404 100
SIP: 545404100@zoomcrc.com

How to set up and use Zoom:

To use the software, you would have to download the Zoom client (and installed if prompted). The instructions to do so are listed here: https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

The instructions about setting up the software

How to set up and use Zoom:

To use the software, you would have to download the Zoom client (and installed if prompted). The instructions to do so are listed here: https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting

The instructions about setting up the software are listed at the URL below. You may want to create an account if you do not have one already. If you are invited to a meeting (i.e., you are not hosting the meeting), you are not required to create an account; you can simply join the meeting using the meeting ID.

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362033-Getting-Started-on-PC-and-Mac

Exit plan for PingER - Discussion Topic

Time to start thinking about this. Do we need one?

  • Les retired, still active.
  • Bebo's SLAC account expires early 2020, he will bow out then.
  • Topher busy getting funding etc.
  • Umar has left SLAC, but still involved.
  • In the over two decades since PingER started, the Internet and wide area networking have changed dramatically
    • Speeds, deployment,  reliabililty, number of users and applications have improved exponentially
    • There are lots of other monitoring tools nowadays: perfSONAR, ISP monitoring, Akamai

What does it affect?

  • Pakistan monitoring - Wajahat
    • What is the commitment from Pakistan?
  • China - monitoring; big data, blockchain - Saqib
    • Is the current historical data sufficient?
  • ePingER on Android - Amity, Bebo, Topher
    • This is new, Amity would need to take leadership
    • Topher is very busy with getting funding and other projects
    • Bebo less interested partially due to loss of SLAC account early next year
  • Three PingER analysis projects - Amity
    • Title (tentative): Correlation Analysis between network performance and GDP of a country using PingER data. Abstract (tentative):
    • Title (tentative): Comparison of network performance of India and Pakistan using PingER data. Abstract (tentative): 
    • Title (tentative): Data packets loss prediction due to environmental factors. 
    • Is the current historical data sufficient?
  • Compare IPv4 with IPv6 and ICMP versus UDP versus TCP pings - Umar
    • Umar in new job may not have resources/time
    • Measurements probably do not rely on PingER project, rather they can be made ad hoc.
  • Monthly meetings - Les, Umar
    • Scheduling with doodle - Les
    • Making up agenda and current status - Les
    • Invitation via Zoom - Umar
    • Attending - all

Possible scenarios

  • Hard stop
  • Soft stop:
    • Continue running monitors, gathering data, archiving and presenting  as long as SLAC provides storage (1TB) and pinger.slac.stanford.edu VM
      • Give up on monitors after email prompt and no resolution
      • Do not add any extra functions
    • Keep historical data publicly available as long as SLAC provides storage (1TB) and pinger.slac.stanford.edu VM
  • In either case explore what role the Internet Archive might play in maintaining/storing PingER data.
  • Meet with Amity, Topher, Bebo, Les to get their input to
    • Access to PingER historical data
    • their taking leading role
    • ePinger Android futures

Jordan  (Updated 4/25/2019)

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362033-Getting-Started-on-PC-and-Mac

Jordan  (Updated 4/25/2019)

  • Baraa is interested in monitoring other Jordanian hosts.  
    • Baraa asked what the criteria are for choosing targets, emailed him (4/4/2019) about Finding PingER Hosts.
    • Baraa provided details of 4 sites apparently in Jordan. However, only two had RTTs of > 80ms as seen from SLAC. Thus the others are probably proxies in North America. Unfortunately, the remaining two have RTTs from Jordan of 80ms which probably means they are proxies in Europe.
    • 7/3/2019: Requested update and offered to find some Jordanian hosts that are in Jordan and respond to pings. Baraa responded 7/6/2019 "we have nothing new. we tested several sites but it turns out they are using proxies. we are still looking for other sites that are effectively distributed across Jordan."  Les was also unable to find any using Google.
    • Also Baraa has just graduated from Princess Sumaya University with a Masters Degree (Major: Enterprise Systems Engineering) and is looking for Universities to continue his education (PhD.)
    Baraa is interested in monitoring other Jordanian hosts.  
    • There are 4 other existing targets in Jordan. 
    • Baraa asked what the criteria are for choosing targets, emailed him (4/4/2019) about Finding PingER Hosts.
    • Baraa provided details of 4 sites apparently in Jordan. However, only two had RTTs of > 80ms as seen from SLAC. Thus the others are probably proxies in North America. Unfortunately, the remaining two have RTTs from Jordan of 80ms which probably means they are proxies in Europe.
    • 7/3/2019: Requested update and offered to find some Jordanian hosts that are in Jordan and respond to pings.

Turkey 

Eyad emailed: "I have gathered some information about how to have a public IP address and it seems it is not complicated, just a subscription with the ISP, I will discuss in the next meeting". Sent email requesting update 5/26/2019. Eyad responded no progress yet.

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NUST

Wajahat suggested a letter to the higher-ups at NUST about PingER would assist.  Les worked with Wajahat to craft such a letter. It was sent to Wajahat by email 4/3/2019.  It was sent by paper mail 4/4/2019 to Principal SEECS.

  • Wajahat said the letter has been received and a written response is being drafted. Is there an update?
  • They (NUST) would also be interested in other collaborations with SLAC
    • Since Les is no longer an employee of SLAC but rather an emeritus this may complicate things.
    • A possibility might be in high-speed data transfer. It would need a champion from NUST, and a plan and funding to provide access to 100Gbps
Wajahat mentioned a possibility of proposing a project for https://isif.asia/grants/,where it says "These grants will support research focused on the availability, reliability, and security of the Internet, with a particular focus on operational stability and security. The research outcomes should aim to expand access to knowledge, expand coverage for research applications and maximize the benefit to the community. Three small grants of USD 20,000 USD will be allocated, for a total of USD 60,000 in funding." 

 

IPv6 host at NUST:

Wajahat has requested Hasan to install PingER on an IPv6 host at NUST, Saqib has contacted Hasan to tell him where to find and upload the code. There is not a host name for the MA yet. Hopefully, this will be available by next month's meeting.

Wajahat has 2 students, he will propose some PingER related projects to them.

Wajahat said that contacts at some sites are not very interested in PingER and wonder why there are so many pings. Thus he believes we need new sites representing the regions of Pakistan that have willing collaborators. Thus we should give up on sites such as CAE and ISRA that have not had any data to gather for a year or so.  Les has since disabled these sites.

We have not been able to gather data from maggie1.seecs.edu.pk since March 2019. Sent email to Wajahat, he responded that it may be an IPv6 host.  Tried accessing using IPv6 but no success.  It has been disabled.

 UAF (University of Agriculture, Faisalabad)/GHZU (Updated 3/3/2019)

Saqib joined the University of Agriculture in Faisalabad. He plans to pursue the blockchain paper. He is undergoing his Mid  Term Probationary Review, Les is on the Technical Review Panel.

Thailand, Charnsak

UNIMAS

Need to add Umar Kalim to http://pinger.unimas.my/pinger/contact.php. From the 7/5/2018 meeting: Johari can't ssh into the server so he will go to it on Monday.  He will also upload the new UNIMAS PingER website next week.

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